I had a box sitting in storage
for a pretty long time with some brake parts I've been meaning to put on my car.
Last week I got a package and finally had all the parts I needed.
See look they're overnight from Japan:
Contents, 2x of these:
That's a rear caliper bracket and rotor, and my stock rear rotors are a bit
smaller. So the first thing I had to do was trim the rear dust shields a bit
Cutoff wheel, meet dust sheild:
Dust sheild, meet cutoff wheel:
So after a few minutes with that thing I had room for the new rotors:
Then I thought it would be a good idea to clean off all the clips and bolts and
other caliper hardware:
Oh hey look there are some stainless steel lines in there too:
Looks like those pads fit the new brackets. They're Axxis Ultimates.
Saturday it was time to get to work. In exchange for those rear rotors and
brackets, I agreed to help my boss change the rotors and pads on his CR-V, flush
the fluid, and put new pads on his wife's Forester. Here is all our stuff and
him and his dog:
We put the CR-V on jackstands, pulled off all the wheels, and I took off the
front caliper, cleaned off the bracket, greased the pins and all that junk, then
put it back together. It was soon apparent that the rotors we ordered online
were the wrong size so we put the old stuff back on, slapped fresh pads on the
Forester, and got to work on my car.
Here's the stuff I put on:
What is it all?
WRX front brakes
'H6' Legacy rear brakes
Goodridge stainless steel lines
Axxis Ultimate pads
Motul RBF600 fluid.
That other fluid and the Hawks were for the CR-V.
So, my old front rotors are somewhat smaller than the new ones (260x22mm vs
294x24mm):
The calipers also have an extra piston each.
The rear rotors are also a bit bigger (290mm vs 266mm), and the new rear
calipers also have bigger pistons.
Okay lets put this stuff on there. First put on the bigger dust shield:
Then the rotor:
Then the caliper bracket:
Then the pads and caliper:
Do the same for the rear:
Then quickly detach the old lines and put on the new ones. Thankfully they all
came off without trouble after being attached for 14 years.
Hey that's nice that with WRX lines and struts I don't have to zip tie things in
place:
I bought a mityvac at Sears before I did all this, so flushing and bleeding the
brakes was a piece of cake. Pump vacuum handle, crack bleed screw, keep pumping
until new fluid comes out. It took like 2 minutes a corner.
Old fluid vs new:
As far as I know it had never been changed. Also it wasn't quite that nasty
because some of that came from the calipers and lines that had been sitting for
like a year.
So yeah thems are some bigger brakes:
They barely fit under the wheels:
So far I've only bedded in the pads and driven for like 20 minutes. They are a
lot better and it's really easy to lock up a wheel. Tonight I think a few of us
are going to go for a drive so I'll get a better impression then, and see how
the bias is. According to Josh's spreadsheet it should be about the same as it
was. I definitely need some stickier tires now.
This was also pretty cheap to do, especially since my boss bought the rear
rotors and brackets ($250), and all the rest of the stuff is used. Front
calipers were $120, rear calipers and lines were $60, pads were $70 for all
four, front rotors were $60 total after a resurface (they had only been a wrx
for a few thousand miles before he put brembos on), and the fluid was $30. So
like $400 total for bigger brakes all around. The only things missing are the
shims, which I don't have. I'm playing around with the idea of having some cut
out of a sheet of titanium.
Driving impressions so far (two days later):
Just got back from a pretty extended drive up on the
Angeles crest. Total trip including picking up and dropping off a few people was
over 200 miles. Adding these brakes to the suspension setup has really made me
notice how slow my car is and how crappy these tires are. Lockup comes really
quick, and I was no where close to fade, even after coming down from 7000ft.
According to the brake math spreadsheet bias is the same, but they seem to be a
bit more front biased. Either way theyl a whole lot better and I can brake
harder more confidently. This week I might fabricate myself a master cylinder
brace and see if it makes a difference.
Additional comments now that it's not 3am:
The feel and stability under braking are a whole lot better and they're easier
to modulate. I made a couple of threshold 90-0 stops, and the car just, well,
slowed down hard without any drama.
The added travel from all the extra piston area isn't a problem, with stainless
lines and these tires at least. In a month or two I'll get a nice set of sticky
tires. That should 'fix' the forward-feeling bias as well as letting me see how
it feels when I get farther into the pedal stroke. These things lock up the
RE92s like nothing.
Unfortunately I forgot the IR thermometer last night. It would have been cool to
see how hot the rotors were at the bottom of Big Tijunga canyon.